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What camera did you use for Recipes IV?

Since different Sony cameras have different color casts, I'm wondering which camera you used for the Recipes IV PDF. I'm using an a6400, and I've read that it has essentially the same sensor (smaller) as the a7iii. If I'm not mistaken I believe you were using a7iii before--but now it looks like you are using an a6700. (Congrats on the new camera!)

Wondering if you built the current version of the film recipes on the a6700, as I've heard it renders color much more naturally than the a7iii? And if so, I am wondering how I might need to adjust the color temperature and magenta/green color cast with a sensor that is more like the a7iii.

Of course I can and will just use my eyes to adjust warmth and color cast as well. :-)

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Nicolas Beauvais

Apr 30

Thank you very much for your answer.

It's clear now for me that your work has be done for your Sony A6700. The recipes version IV are not compatible with my Sony A7R II camera because Pictures Profiles are not the same between A7R II and A6700 cameras, not only for colors but also for settings and because sensor technologies are different between these cameras.

By the way, I have noticed that about 70% of your recipes have K color temperatures between 3500 K and 4500 K in addition majority of colors filters are as follows Ax / Mx such as A7 M4 or A3 M1.25 and so on. That shows a reply (Magenta) against yellow/green color cast relative to Sony A6700.

So your recipes require extra color adjustments and sometimes more : PP settings missing such as HGL3 or S Cinestone as you know 😣

Anyway I am grateful for your work that shows me a new way to work with my Sony cameras 🙂

Veres Deni Alex

May 01

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Just because you have an older camera, does not mean it's not compatible with the film simulations. It does require some color matching tho.

On the website, I mentioned the first camera models that are compatible with the film simulations, so even users of older cameras can enjoy these recipes. Not everybody has the money or wants to upgrade to the newest cameras.

Color differences will exist even between newer cameras like the a7cII to the a6700. So in the end it's about understanding the menu, and how you can shift colors using all the tools available.

Most of the time, cameras can be color matched with the help of the picture profile menu and the temperature settings, even if the color science has evolved so much over the past years. I have showcased this in the following article on how to match your Sony colors. Check it out:

https://www.veresdenialex.com/post/color-matching-all-your-sony-cameras

I personally use both old and new cameras, and I am able to adapt most film recipes pretty closely to each other. The main differences come to color cast, and focusing on the temperature and tint of the sensor. Some cameras are warmer, others are colder. Same with tint, some have a magenta cast, while others a green cast. These can be adjusted and matched pretty closely in camera. After adjusting these parameters, there still will be some color differences, which is to be expected since Sony kept improving their colors over the years, but you will get better colors out of camera if you know how to adjust it.

It's true. Newer cameras have more gammas & color modes, like HLG or S-Cinetone, but only a couple recipes use those Gammas(4-5 recipes at most), so older cameras are compatible with more than 45 film recipes available. And more recipes are coming this summer.

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Michael Schorsch

Mar 21

This is extremely helpful! And yes, I have started always eyeballing the colors and adjusting temperature and color filter as I go.

By the way, I wanted to say your newest version of Kodak Gold 200 feels the most true to the Kodak Gold colors I remember from shooting in the 90s, out of any film simulation/preset or LUT I have used. Really outstanding work.

Veres Deni Alex

Mar 21

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Wow! It's so great to hear that! I poured my heart and soul into this project, so I am always so happy to hear people are enjoying these recipes.

The more you experiment with them, the more intuitive it gets. At this point, many times I am simply creating new picture profiles on the spot for the specific look I am going for in the moment. I am not even saving them, because next time I might create something new.

It simply became second nature, and I believe most people can do it after getting familiar with the workflow.

Also, feedback is always welcomed from experienced film shooters.

If anybody feels a certain recipe can be improved, let me know and I'll see if there are possibilities.

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Veres Deni Alex

Mar 19

I used the Sony a6700 for the IV version, which is the latest version at the moment.

I haven't tested or read much about the a6400 sensor, so I cannot tell you if the color will be the same with the a7III. But I have an article which showcases how to closely match the Kodachrome 64 on the RX100 VI, the a7III and the a6700.

Check it out:

https://www.veresdenialex.com/post/color-matching-all-your-sony-cameras

Of course, there is one important detail worth mentioning. There is a thing I call extreme point color shifting. I am creating a short video explaining this as simply as possible, but hopefully I can do it through text as well.

You can check the video here

Each camera will have different color tendencies at extreme Temperature values.(2500-9900K)

Meaning the a7III and the rx100Vi both shot at 2500K, will look totally different in terms of color hue, because they have different color mapping, just as shown in the following images.

Images are only representative so it's easier to understand the concept, they do not showcase how colors are actually mapped by these cameras at the given values.

Example of a7III vs RX100VI at 2500K

Example of a7III vs RX100VI at 9900K

As the examples show, each camera will look different in each extreme, differences which translate into the recipes as well.

So if a certain recipe is pushing the values in either direction, these differences will become more evident, as each camera has a different interpretation of how that Kelvin value should be translated in terms of color hue mapping.

To match these recipes, it's not as hard as it sounds. It's only a matter of analyzing the image and adjusting the Temperature and Tint of the image. This can be done by comparing the reference images on the blog, or the image from the PDF.

Don't stress too much over getting a 100% perfect matching colors. As I see it, it's more about getting amazing colors straight out of camera, having more fun, less editing. So if you enjoy the image coming out of your camera, that's the final purpose.

At all times I load a film simulation and tweak it on the fly according to my situations, or how my eyes think the colors look more pleasing, and to further enhance the colors. By doing so, I am cutting extra steps, which I would be anyway doing in post-processing.

This project aims to enable people to create their own custom looks. I tried my best to match them as close as possible to the original film colors we all love, but I don't want people to stop there and be like ''I can only use this film simulation as it's mentioned in the documentation”.

No, use it as you want. Tweak it if needed. Enable your creativity!

It's important to gain this ability of adjusting the recipes on the spot, adapting them to various scenarios to cut down the editing process as much as possible.

Hopefully this answered the question, and don't forget to check the Blog post mentioned above :]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-gfcmjtW3nup_6nXvu8JTn3obVpU2-o-&si=Qn0Z2hBIhqoDKoZG

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What camera did you use for Recipes IV?

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